Confetti Grapeberry recessiveness

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Since there is no Grapeberry thread. I'll start one in case people are interested in looking at charts on Grapeberry specifically. I am copying posts from other threads on findings.

From Orangeberry thread:

05-12-2016, 08:29 AM
Post: #4
Arwen Swordthain Offline
Chatty Cat
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RE: Confetti Orangeberry : Post your evidence here
as you can see from this sibling breed the GrapeBerry is rec to the OrangeBerry



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Quickie analysis

both mom and dad share the same parents: Marge and Homer

Marge and Homer produced the Dad Ashes Orangeberry shown
So either Marge or Homer hides Orangeberry
Ashes will hide Orangeberry or something more recessive

Dad Ashes was bred with his full sister Zepu cocoberry showns
their Child shows Grapeberry

If Zepu had received the Orangeberry hid, Orangeberry would have shown since Ashes shows Orangeberry. Ashes can only throw Orangeberry or something more recessive (his hid). So Zepu got the other hid.

Since Grapeberry shows, both Zepu and Ashes have to hide Grapeberry. Zepu can only hide Orangeberry or the same hid as Ashes
Both siblings hide Grapeberry so Grapeberry has to be recessive to Orangeberry and

[Ivy Lane]

Here is the present list of information about the Dominance Order of Confetti
We have actually done so much work that almost all the colors are placed at this point in time.
   


I have a ton of records i have been keeping let's start with grape :

       

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I am not sure how to upload the images so they look big they are coming directly off my hard drive

(01-02-2017 10:28 AM)Ivy Lane Wrote:  Here is the present list of information about the Dominance Order of Confetti
We have actually done so much work that almost all the colors are placed at this point in time.



I have a ton of records i have been keeping let's start with grape :

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Try this Ivy
if you click on those images you can get their url
then the code is
[ bracket then type "img" then bracket ] then the url in between then [ bracket again then / slash then "img" again then final bracket ]

if the little icons work for you (works for me at the library but not at home), clilck on the mountain picture frame icon, paste in the url and it will code it for you.

[Ivy Lane]

(01-02-2017 04:34 PM)Kayla Woodrunner Wrote:  Try this Ivy
if you click on those images you can get their url
then the code is
[ bracket then type "img" then bracket ] then the url in between then [ bracket again then / slash then "img" again then final bracket ]

if the little icons work for you (works for me at the library but not at home), clilck on the mountain picture frame icon, paste in the url and it will code it for you.

There is no url for the images i was uploading them, I have just opened an imgur account and uploaded all my collection of proofs , feel free to use what you need anything with someone else's name already gave me permission but credit for their work can be notated. I will update the others on here when i have time and ty, evidently uploading to the forum is not a plan

Anyone who notices i forgot your name feel free to contact me and I will update.

http://imgur.com/a/yEnmo

[Kayla Woodrunner]

I got the url for the images by right clicking them. Apparently when you upload them to the KC forum, it creates a url. Although I would not do view image since that brings up the thumbnail instead, but do "open link in new tab" and grab the url that way. It doesn't say jpg or png or anything like that but it works just fine. I don't understand but I figure it's likea lightswitch. I don't have to to flip it, lol.

if you have a problem though, no worries. I'll repost them inline for you. Reven probably will too as I see she does it if other folks have a problem.

I'll repost the ones above for you now. I had left them before in case you wanted to try it again but I know you're pretty busy between breeeding and auctions.

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Repost of Ivy's post above with the images showing

Here is the present list of information about the Dominance Order of Confetti
We have actually done so much work that almost all the colors are placed at this point in time.



I have a ton of records i have been keeping let's start with grape :

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Ok here's my analysis of stuff known to date on chart 1

chart 1

Mom Dania
Dania's Mom Gorgeous Brat shows Orangeberry
Dania's Dad Grape Soda shows Grapeberry
Dania shows Orangeberry so her hid comes from Dad, either Grapeberry or more recessive
Known: Orangeberry dom to Grapeberry (chart on Orangeberry thread)

Dad Myinburne
Dad's Mom Tealia shows Tealberry
Dad's Dad "Pet Quality - Casey" shows Cocoberry
Dad Myinburne shows Appleberry
Known: Appleberry Dom to Tealberry (Saga updates 7/16/16)
therefore Dad's Dad hides Appleberry and Myinburne hides Tealberry or more recessive from Mom

New born kitten of Dania and Myinburne shows Grapeberry
Grapeberry is known to be recessive to Appleberry
Grapeberry is known to be recessive to Orangeberry
So both Dania and Myinburne threw their hids

Known on Grapeberry
Saga 12/14/16 Grapeberry rec to Appleberry
Saga, no update hist Grapeberry rec to Blueberry
Saga 7/11/16 GrapeBerry rec to LemonBerry
forum Grapeberry rec to Orangeberry
Saga 7/16/16 GrapeBerry rec to PlumBerry
Saga 11/23/16 GrapeBerry dom to Pinkberry


Known on Tealberry
Saga 7/16/16 Tealberry rec to Appleberry
Saga 11/29/15 Tealberry rec to Cherryberry
Saga 11/1/16 Tealberry rec to Lemonberry
Saga 5/12/16 Tealberry dom Limeberry
Saga 1/29/16 Tealberry rec Orangeberry
Saga 11/1/15 Tealberry rec Plumberry

Both Grapeberry and Tealberry are recessive to Appleberry
Both Grapeberry and Tealberry are recessive to Lemonberry
Both Grapeberry and Tealberry are recessive to Plumberry

Without knowing more about Grapeberry or Tealberry, it is possible a Grapeberry could hide behind the Teal on dad's side and the Grape on mom's side could hide someting more recessive. Odds are the Grapeberry is the hid on mom but would need to be confirmed.

You'd have to pop the hid on the Grapeberry to see if it is Teal for it to be a proof of Grape against Teal. Problem with the average being about 2 maybe 3 confetti kids per 120 day cycle, you don't always pop the hid.



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Chart 2

Right Side
Sapphire Shows Blueberry
Clark shows Cocoberry
They produce Luc Blue showing Grapeberry
Known Saga, no update hist Grapeberry rec to Blueberry
Both parents threw their hids. One parent has Grapeberry hid and the other parent has Grapeberry or more recessive hid

Prism Beauty shows Cocoberry
Luc Blue shows Grapeberry
Their baby Luc Prism shows Appleberry
Known: Saga 12/14/16 Grapeberry rec to Appleberry
So Appleberry is the hid of the Mom Prism Beauty and will hide either Grapeberry or something more recessive.

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Grapeberry

Saga 12/14/16 Grapeberry rec to Appleberry
forum 10/2/16 Grapeberry rec to Appleberry (orig on appleberry thread)
Saga, no update hist Grapeberry rec to Blueberry
forum 1/17/17 Grapeberry rec to Blueberry (courtesy of Ivy's Imgur site)
Saga 7/11/16 GrapeBerry rec to LemonBerry
Saga 7/16/16 GrapeBerry rec to PlumBerry
forum 5/12/16 Grapeberry rec to Orangeberry
Saga 11/23/16 GrapeBerry dom to Pinkberry


Grapeberry rec to Appleberry rec to Blueberry, Orangeberry, Plumberry
Grapeberry rec to Blueberry
GrapeBerry rec to LemonBerry rec to Cherryberry
GrapeBerry rec to PlumBerry rec to Blueberry
Grapeberry rec to Orangeberry

GrapeBerry dom to Pinkberry dom to Limeberry

done rec to blueberry
done rec to orangeberry
done rec to plumberry
done rec to appleberry
done rec to cherryberry
done rec to lemonberry
grapeberry
done dom to limeberry
done dom to pinkberry
--no info -- to tealberry

Grapeberry rec to blueberry, orangeberry, plumberry, appleberry, cherryberry, lemonberry
Grapeberry dom to limeberry, pinkberry

need proof against tealberry

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Left side
Mom’s mom Patty Grape shown
Mom’s dad Claudio Coco shown
Mom Valentina shows Grape

Right side
Dad’s Mom Bonita shows Plum
Dad’s Dad Daroch shows Lemon
Dad Emilio shows Apple

Valentina and Emilio create
Baby shows Lemon

Saga 7/11/16 GrapeBerry rec to LemonBerry

So Lemonberry has to be Emilio’s hid, proving Lemon is recessive to Appleberry

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Cross post from Blueberry

Another chart from Ivy's Imgur Confetti site. This chart belongs to Sapphire.

this is a double proof chart

The right side of this chart proves Blueberry is dominant to Plumberry
The left side of the chart proves Blueberry is dominant to Grapeberry

Dad's side
Grandma Playa and Grandpa Hawk show Blueberry
giving birth to the Dad Filmore, a Plumberry

Mom's side
Grandma Smurfette and Grandpa Poppa show Blueberry
giving birth to the Mom Sapphire, a Grapeberry



I love this double perfect proof -- first time I've seen a double proof in one chart.

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Arwen proved Grapeberry recessive to Appleberry on the Appleberry thread back in 10/2/16

I am copying her charts for the proofs down below but with my analysis. My analysis isn't better than hers -- just easier for me to understand. This way both sets of analysis are up because some might find hers easier to understand.

Appleberry Dominant to Grapeberry

Chart 1
Mom's Mom Marge shows Coco
Mom's Dad Homer shows Coco
Mom Zepa shows Cocoberry

Dad's Mom Marge shows Coco
Dad's Dad Homer shows Coco
Dad Ashes shows Orangeberry

Zepa and Ashes share the same parents. This is a full sibling breed.

Proves Marge and Homer, one hides Orange, one hides something more recessive

Baby Arwen Confetti boy shows Cocoberry from Zepa, get hid from dad Ashes



Chart 2
Same siblings partnered, different baby

Mom's Mom Marge shows Coco
Mom's Dad Homer shows Coco
Mom Zepa shows Cocoberry

Dad's Mom Marge shows Coco
Dad's Dad Homer shows Coco
Dad Ashes shows Orangeberry

Baby Adam shows Grapeberry

Proves the hid of Zepu and Ashes is Grapeberry
Proves Grapeberry is recessive to Orangeberry
Proves Adam has Grapeberry shown and hid



Chart 3
Left side first because we were introduced to Dad in the first chart
Dad’s Mom Zepu shows Coco, hides Grape
Dad’s Dad Ashes shows Orange, hides Grape
Dad Arwen’s Confetti boy shows Coco, hides either Orange or Grape

Right side
Mom’s Mom Apple pie shows apple
Mom’s Dad Cucumber nube shows apple
Mom Charm no. 8 shows Appleberry

Charm no. 8 and Arwen’s Confetti boy create
Baby “Confetti Week 2” showing Appleberry

Arwen’s Conf threw his hid as Coco is not showing
Charm threw her shown as Appleberry is showing
The baby will have the Dad's hid



Chart 4
Left side first
Dad’s Mom Zepu shows Coco, hides Grape
Dad’s Dad Ashes shows Orange, hides Grape
Dad Arwen’s Confetti boy shows Coco, hides either Orange or Grape

Right side
Mom’s Mom Apple pie shows apple
Mom’s Dad Cucumber nube shows apple
Mom Charm no. 8 shows Appleberry

Charm no. 8 and Arwen’s Confetti boy create
Baby “Arwen Class 4” showing Grapeberry

Proves Arwen’ Confetti boy hides Grape not Orange

Proves Grapeberry is recessive to Appleberry because previous child had Appleberry shown when mom threw shown Appleberry and Dad threw hid.

Proves Mom Charm has something hid recessive to Apple because both parents threw their hids. So Mom has Grape or more recessive hid

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Does anyone know Sapphire? Looking at Ivy's Imgur site, I noticed she had this child. Sunny bonnet had Teal hid, an earlier proof on the same site. Boudecia likely has Teal hid given the way the furs are lining up and she has her dad Aubergine's hid Grapeberry which would finish off the proofs for Grapeberry. But it would be nice to get a visual. If someone knows Sapphire, could they ask her to check on Boudecia's babies for a popped Teal and post the chart?