The Genesis Project

[Brunabug Nightfire]

I have the Coco III vs. Coco IV...proof. I finished this proof the early part of June.



It was one that was missing...and I was able to recreate it.

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Yay! thank you BreeAnn!

[Arwen Swordthain]

Phew, working on recreating the Domino 4/Flame 3 proof, also testing Diamond 4 against Flame 3 so that might give us an answer sooner if it proves dominant to Flame 3. Diamond 4 is recessive to domino 4 and I believe we have a confirmed chart for that

[LibGwen Resident]

(07-11-2017 07:31 AM)Ivy Norsk Wrote:  I have been up and down and looked at old files that I have via Bree and I can't find a Domino 4 versus Flame 3 proof.
I hope it exists and I just don't have it.

Yep, I haven't seen one either. It simply appeared in the Saga charts one day.

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Gen Smokey IV is recessive to Gen Coco I
it's still dropping down the line. where it stops nobody knows.

Mom Lilah shows Bali Seal Lynx
Dad Genius shows Coco I
Baby shows Smokey IV

[Arwen Swordthain]

These genesis 4's are certainly proving interesting!

[Ivy Norsk]

I'm wondering if the 4s are going to be tucked under corresponding furs:
Like wouldn't it be fun if the order was:
Coco 3 > Coco 4 (proved)
Domino 3 > Domino 4 (Arwen proved, but the proof "underneath" can't be found.)
Diamond 2 > Diamond 4 (speculative)
Flame 2 > Flame 4 (true, but we need a proof "underneath" to tuck it.)
Smokey 1 > Smokey 4 (Kayla's new proof puts it further in the right direction. Seems likely to me.)

[Arwen Swordthain]

Just a quick update on my tests
Genesis - Patch I v Genesis - Bandit II gave a Bandit II
Genesis - Domino III/IV v Genesis - Coco V gave a Genesis - Domino IV
Genesis - Flame III v Genesis - Diamond IV gave a Genesis - Flame III

All 3 babies are unpacked to check hidden and their parents will continue to breed until I get results.
If the Flame III does prove dominant to the Diamond IV its heading down the list towards Diamond II, so to test Ivys theory I'd recommend testing it against Flame II & Diamond II to see if it does pop in between them. My Diamond IV is a boy so if anyone wants to test him against girls yell out. I have a feeling Ivys right.

Tuned out my Domino IVs and Flame IIIs were all girls so Ipopped a pair I had stashed on an alt and they will breed next week to check the Domino IV/Flame III proof.

[Ivy Norsk]

Chart Update with 3 new proofs:

Genesis Furs 7:20:17 by Ivy Norsk, on Flickr

This shows Kayla's proof Smokey 4 < Coco 1
This also shows 2 proofs by Aramis which he hasn't uploaded to the forum (though he now has links available to a One Drive by request to various grabzillas and other things). His proofs are Coco 5 > Diamond 4, and Diamond 4 < Smokey 2.

He also provided another proof this week, a re-doing of the lost proof Smokey 5 > Diamond 5, so that is good. I think I will do up a new thread here just on all of the Genesis 5 (2015) internal proofs for public reference, but give me a bit of time to get those into a nice neat order.

Arwen you asked me what else was lost that we're kind of assuming... The Smokey 4 > Flame 5 proof is a notable one, which I hope will become superceded by Flame 5 proofs direct against Gen 1 furs (I'm doing Flame 5 x Flame 1 now). Basically a lot of the proofs that show on the very first version of the chart in this thread involve proofs that Saga has had that nobody has seen but Saga, but I don't think any of the new work has found any errors in the old so far. It's a pain but we're moving forward.

[Arwen Swordthain]

I think I have smokey 4 still sat in my cattery, I'll check and find a Flame 5, Aramis's proofs mean I can end my Diamond 4 Flame 3 test as its proven recessive to Smokey 2, its definately heading towards the Diamond 2 . I'll continue with the Coco 5/Domino 4 test though since Domino 4 and Diamond 4 look to be far apart in placement.

Is there any chance you can post copies of Aramis's proofs?