Gridwide Auction Calendar - Continue or Discontinue?

[Brunabug Nightfire]

Bumping this back up to remind everyone why I created this calendar in the first place. It was for current active auctions taking place. Anyone who contacted me to add them to the calendar was added no matter if another auction was taking place at the same time. This calendar was created as a resource for the community for those to see where auctions were actually taking place. Unfortunately over the years auctioneers and sim owners have twisted it in to away to control things. A certain sim has chosen to create a new calendar because they don't agree with me trying to keep this calendar up to date. They also don't agree with the idea that multiple auctions can be listed at the same time and to control this they will hold spots for auctions that are not happening and not allow any new auctioneer blood to be addeded. Just a reminder... When a auction returned to happening because of vacation or health issues or what ever, I was ways willing to add it back on. It is others in the community who have been vocal about it not being fair. I have gotten an ear full about it. For years. The calendar I created years ago was never ment to be used as a pawn for sims or auctioneers to control things. I was trying to get this back to the original goal of this calendar. Forgive typos. I am on my phone. I am copy this comment t on the other forum post that you. popped up complaining about the changes made. Thank you

[Kendrah Vantelli]

As a Breeder since day 1 of the Release of KittyCats, (not just some nice sim owner). I'd like to say thank you for maintaining this over the years. Your very dependable, reliable, and you keep it up to date. You are fair and don't play favorites. Your doing it for the community for so long and not even for a profit. I hope it's not removed.

[Kayleigh McMillan]

Yes, I am happy you are independent BreeAnn!

[Brunabug Nightfire]

it is with sadness that I inform the kitty Cats community that I will no longer be updating the Grid Wide Auction Calendar. I would like to take a moment to get some stuff off my chest before I say thank you to those who stood by me the past 3 yrs.

This calendar was created almost 3 yrs ago with the intention to list current auctions that were happening around SL. The first year was pleasant and every one seemed to be kind and nice but in the past 2 years I have dealt with time and time again complaints form sim owners and auctioneers both stating claim on times and days for auctions, when I have been willing to add any and all auctions to the calendar. NO matter if other auctions were happening. This was my way of staying neutral. I would remind those who would contact me that I was not the sole decision maker of time slots. Recently it has been said that I and my new assistant are wrong with stating no holding of time slots. That I am now yielding the power to end auctions because they are not not happening over two weeks.. I want to remind everyone that I never have said that an auction being removed form the calendar was never allowed to return to the same time when the auctioneer finished up with their Vacation or dealing with Real LIfe issues. I will state again -The Calendar I created was meant for CURRENT TIMES..NOT to hold spots.

So there has been a new Calendar created in the heat of the debate. One that claims to be for the community. Neutral and not bias. Stating that they are pro- holding spots for Auctioneers that are NOT having Auctions. I get it and understand that Real Life gets in the way. I know that me and my assistant putting a time limit on how many missed auctions can take place and then the auction is removed from the calendar can upset people. BUT again MY CALENDAR that I put together was always meant to be a listing of current auctions. NOT a means to have auctioneers fighting over spots. With the design of the new calendar, and adding the SL-URLs I was hoping that the calendar would go back into the hands of the buyers. The original meaning of this calendar.

I wish Ruby had granted me the courtesy of speaking to my assistant before responding to her notecard, before she ran a head with the new calendar that she designed and says LickN will be managing. It was not even 24 hours before the new calendar was created and posted about on their sim blog and on Facebook streams and in the forums.

I wish I could say good luck and I wish you all the best, but I can't. I am very hurt by all the hate and complaints I have dealt with over the years. And the fact that this new forum post was even created to bash me and the work I have done on this calendar just is the last straw. And like how Wendi said..'lets all stop acting like children". I feel that over the years I have tried to act more mature and try and remind people again and again the true meaning of the calendar being to be current. Instead I have allowed myself to be manipulated by sim owners and auctioneers alike claiming certain times as exclusivity their own. I realize now that my vision for this calendar was never going to be excepted. I see that now.

Maybe I will be called out...as being wrong to do this...but I feel it necessary to post the notecards sent to me an my assistant. I am posting them to show you all reading just a sampling of what I have had to deal with other the past year.



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09/01/2015

RE: About the Auction Calendar Slots

Hi Sierra,

I heard some rumors and I want to put them to sleep as unfounded, and if they are true, speak to you about them.

--- Is it true that if a person does not do the auction for two weeks in a row it would be dropped from the calendar?

Please let me know.
Thanks for your time

Ruby
The ScratchN Post Manager

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9/4 (Friday)

Hello Beloved Ruby,

Bree and I have spoken about the issue of auctioneers and sim owners using the Calendar as a means to hold spots and claim times. In the past she has put in Vacation for auctions. She has also made it very clear that any and all auctions will be added to the calendar, but over the past two years she has been attacked by sim owners and auctioneers upset that she has added other auctions to the same time slots. No matter how many times she has made it clear that the calendar is only a community listing of auctions happening, not a means to organize and manage auctioneers across SL. She has also stated she wanted this calendar to be active not a holding spot for times.

She mentioned last year that a group was started by ScratchN Post sim to try and create a means for all auctioneers to work together and negotiate set times. But that it did not pan out? I am new to KittyCats (a real life friend of Bree- she asked me to help her so I have come back to do that.)

We have spoken again about your question. She said she had received this same notecard you sent to me. At this last meeting she suggested we think of the calender as a newspaper. Newspapers post calendar of events coming up in the community. And this Calendar is just that. Events / Auctions that are currently coming up in the community. She has wanted me to add dates to the calendar and that is what I will do. I will be working on the calendar on weekends so I will be posting for the next week only.

I hope this answers your question. Again Bree has made it very clear she wants this list to be current and not a means to hold spots. Maybe that group that started up can get communications going between sims and auctioneers to discuss times and such.

TY-
Sierra Miggins

cc: BreeAnn (brunabug.nightfire)

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AND THE LAST NOTECARD WE RECEIVED FROM RUBY WITH A CLEAR THREAT AT THE END. My real life did not allow me to respond to this before Ruby took it upon herself to create her own calendar and post in the forums and spam it in her facebook feed.

9/4

Hello Sierra and Bree

I am sending copies to both. I have received the response however, it does not clearly state that Yes, auction spots will be dropped at two weeks absense or No, they wont be. I need to know one or the other or I will assume it is a yes, you will drop them. By this letter I take it is a yes.

You mention this calendar is just a newspaper, about events, then it is not a calendar and maybe someone else should start another. No one can decide when to drop an auction because behind the avatar there is a real life person who gets sick, who has emergencies, real life or otherwise, for crying out loud, they could even be in the hospital, family death etc. And it is completely unfair that because of a calendar they need to be ultra human and not be allowed that because they might lose their slot. And certainly, calendar managers are not ones who dictate someone elses life, as you dont expect anyone else to tell you what to do or not do.

Ex. Bree told me she wasnt going to add my classes because I asked for a TBA and she told me she would not do that because TBA's take spots others can use, and I Agree with that. And fine. THAT is reasonable, but dropping times is just not right.

I understand people can be desperate for slots too and that is an easy way to knock them down. But if this is a rule, I have to rule against it and so will many others because it is unjust, people look at the calendar with respect, and if that, at least will not be given that, after all we are human beings, not second life little dolls, then it would not work for anyone. If it is a magazine, then it is. If it is a newspaper then sure, the news change daily.

But a calendar is not those mentioned above. It only takes a simple "will return on" and follow up on then to make sure they are back if they haven't contacted you. Because we do get busy and forget. I understand, but do not agree, and will take it now to LickN so he is aware, and maybe even further.

Thank you,
Ruby
The ScratchN Post
General Manager
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So it is all out on the table. I am sure that this forum post will soon be deleted. I hope some of you get to read it so you can see just a sampling of what I have been dealing with.

I am sad that I it has come to me deleting my calendar. I am sad to see it go. But I don't have the energy to deal with the hate.

~BreeAnn

[Kitten Longmeadow]

Hi folks. I am going to re-post my comments from the other calendar thread here.

We are going to make the request that if you have an issue with someone, that you work that issue out with the other person privately.

When posting on the forums, we ask that you speak to each other with respect, and that you leave out judgments about people and what you think of them. If you want to comment on ideas please do, and please keep it to ideas and not "about people". It's fine to disagree, but we ask that you abide by our guidelines of keeping posts respectful and about ideas and not people.

I am not going to lock this thread at the present time, however I do strongly encourage everyone to work out any remaining issues privately. I appreciate everyone's understanding and cooperation. Thanks.

[Priestess Firanelli]

Thank you so much Bree for everything you have done for the community during these years with the list. No one should have to put up with what you have been putting up with for years from several people. I really dont know many people that would have been able to pull this trough with the same grace as you have. Always nice and tried to take everyones best interest into consideration. I agree with you about closing this list because being stuck in the middle like you have, cant have been easy. I dont think we as a community are worthy of your effort right now anyway. I think that the idea to think of the list like a weekly event calender sounded spot on to me. Quite genius actually because I havnt seen anyone presenting any other idea that would stop strong minded people to keep on "shooting the messenger" and fight each other. I dont see that any of the ones that has been agaist this REALLY has taken Brees situation into consideration.

This is my personal opinion but imagine having a newspaper and that newspaper has a calender with "this weeks event" (we have that in my local paper) and imagine someone calls in and becomes upset that their event/auction is not showing for THIS week when they for some reason can't have anotherone before a month later. What do you think the newspaper would have answer? They would prob. say that " we will def. add yours when you HAVE an event. Or like that event list that i see when i logg into SL. Who cares if there are 3 events at the same time. I am an adult and its up to me witch one i prefer to visit. If ex 2 friends agrees to not doing the same time slots thats great but up to them and not something anyone can demand in a free market. We really need to put things in perspective here if we want good people to continue doing community work in the future.

My wish of outcome here is that EVERYONE of us take a step back and think " what can I do better in the future?" to prevent any further anger and polarisation in the community. We are all here because we are charing a great hobby or business but we are all invividuals that has very different opinions how thinks should be done. Everything from how to breed and sell to how a calender should be runned. Please lets accept these differences. See it as an access and lets move forward

[Ace243 Datura]

I usually don't care to comment on these kind of posts because I believe they are here for one reason "attention". Adults should give it some time and work it out in IM before they start jumping on the forum to bash each other, especially when they don't know anyone situation.

First I know Bree has been busy with RL, so if she doesn't reply I wouldn't for a second get upset. You talk about RL happening, people getting sick and so on, but the first time she doesn't reply you do what? attack her instead of thinking "I hope she is ok and nothing serious happened real life"

Second, accusations about her being biased because she works for Too Adorable. One of our auctioneers just had surgery. Bree told me the new rules, and you know what I had to follow them too. Bree has never been the type to choose sides, or sims in this case because she is a grown adult.

I really hope Bree changes her mind because she busts her butt trying to help the community here. I honestly think if people got together and talked to her about this kindly instead of bashing her on a forum, she may have tried to work with you. I've known Bree a long time, and she has a heart of gold and a good head on her shoulder, but now after all this you may never know how it could have turned out if you just gave her some time to reply and asked her kindly.

Thank you Bree for everything you do.

Ace

[Serena Stroikavskoi]

I too certainly hope you reconsider Bree. You have done a marvelous job and I do remember when it was brought up about overlapping. Seems the same thing reoccurs all the time. Different day but the same divided opinion. Though I am glad everyone has different views the fact somethings are always always brought out doesn't serve any purpose than to divide further. It is a volunteer thing and not an easy one at that with the time and attention that is needed. Makes one wonder is the charts gonna be next .... hmmm.

If you do keep with it I certainly will be glad that you do. If not I do understand I remember having that very chat with you about when I auctioned. You do an awesome job and for someone who manages a full time job, both in rl and sl, keeping up with the calendar and all you do to help out in the community is remarkable. Best of luck for whichever way you decide *hugs*

[Wendi Lavendel]

Well I guess the community's loss is also the community's gain, as Bree now has more time to spend on the SagaKitty team, which we are very happy about We will continue to appreciate her efforts and will lavish her with wonderful gifts like the finest raw tuna and the best catnip, and we'll give her lots of head rubs and let her snooze in the comfiest piles of sweaters, and -- what?! Why are you laughing?

[Arwen Swordthain]

Well time to go back to the old method of finding auctions that I used for the 18 months I was in KittyCats before someone pointed me at Brees calender, good old footwork, word of mouth and of course the ever trusty TP.
Thank you Bree for your hard work I'm just sorry it bought you so much un needed drama. Good Luck for the future.