New Fur Tonkinese Champagne recessiveness

[fabioazevedo Oh]

(01-19-2016 09:17 AM)Reven Rosca Wrote:  It is also dominant to Chateau Cat - Cocoa & White No. 2
(In Saga's charts since 5th December)

hello Reven. thanks for sharing your pedigree. you did a good job.

you can test this kitten was born with a recessive fur, to find out what it's hiding?

tyvm

[Reven Rosca]

(01-19-2016 09:32 AM)fabioazevedo Oh Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 09:17 AM)Reven Rosca Wrote:  It is also dominant to Chateau Cat - Cocoa & White No. 2
(In Saga's charts since 5th December)

hello Reven. thanks for sharing your pedigree. you did a good job.

you can test this kitten was born with a recessive fur, to find out what it's hiding?

tyvm

I see no need to test this kitten since I already know that Kellie's fur is pure and proven recessive to Tonkinese Champagne. This means that I haven't breed any of Kellie and Nutter's offspring yet, but I can show the proof with a different pair.

Powaqa hides Australian Mist Blue Marble



Reve is pure Chateau Cat - Cocoa & White No. 2 (Same line as the mother in the previous pedigree)



Reve and Powaqa have 5 offspring so far


Rolo and Suzette are both showing Reve's pure fur, and hide Powaqas hidden.
Their offspring shows Powaqas hidden Blue Marble fur, which must be pure.



The kittens that show the Champagne fur (and hide the chateau fur) haven't reached breeding age yet.

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Love the job you're doing with breeding the tonki. Too bad with Suzette and Rolo, they both did not get the Champagne and both got the Champ's hid, the Blue Marble. Looking forward to seeing the hidden on Keith and Munchkin.

Even if the Reve's parents and grandparents show the same fur, you can still have a hidden different fur because hiddens can pass for generations -- I have pushed a hidden behind a dominant fur for 5 generations before popping it. Unless of course if you got the Chat cocoa out from behind a starter or a more dominant fur in the beginning of the line, then it can only be that. Most people don't start their lines that way. That's why I use proving hiddens on a baby as the final proof -- it can't be disputed. Showing the hidden on Kieth or Munchkin will be the perfect proof. I can see that you birthed Keith. Has he had a child and proven his hidden yet? I'm think it'll be the Chat but just was curious on the confirmation.

[Oselkhandro Resident]

Ah, Blue Marble is so pretty after all!

[Kayla Woodrunner]

It is pretty but it's already placed. I'm like the placing of furs, seeing the building of dominance knowledge. I think Reven already turned it into Saga's charts though because they are already showing Tonki Champ as dominant to Chateau Cocoa & White No.2. I just like to see the chart here too cuz we don't get to see the charts on Saga's. Having the chart on the forum gives newbies a chance to learn about dominance visually. Some people retain knowledge better visually. (I happen to be one of them and the forum helps lots when I was first learning)

[Reven Rosca]

(02-28-2016 03:47 PM)Kayla Woodrunner Wrote:  Love the job you're doing with breeding the tonki. Too bad with Suzette and Rolo, they both did not get the Champagne and both got the Champ's hid, the Blue Marble. Looking forward to seeing the hidden on Keith and Munchkin.

I had completely forgotteh this thread.
I bred Keith to a 9T Blue tabby, and they have given me two chateaus, a tabby and a champie.

Showing one of the chateaus:



The tabby is the only kitten I have unboxed so far, and Amor hides the Champie



Munchkin was bred to a red tabby, and they gave me an army of tabbies.

Her son Philo hides Tonki Champagne


While Miffy hides the puzzleface



ETA:
I have had to abandon the project due to RL, and some of the cats are sold (The rest are for sale). Powaqa is now named Miss Champagne

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Thank you, Reven. It's nice seeing the confirmation on Keith and what you have been doing with the line. I hope everything is ok in RL. Take care of you and yours!

[Reven Rosca]

No worries, Kayla

[Arwen Swordthain]

Reading through the thread I see that Tonkinese - Champagne is between Bengal - Copper & Chateau Cat Cocoa & white No.2. This is a lot narrower that currently showing on Saga. I assume they have not seen the Bengal Copper Proof.

[Kayla Woodrunner]

Thank you ARwen, another good catch on the recessive to Bengal Copper proven 1/19 by Carina Larsen. I'm putting it on the list to re-send

So Tonki Champagne is somewhere in here -- only has to be matched against 7 furs

Bengal Copper

Brown & White Patch Tabby
Foxie Auburn
Ocicat Black
Abyssinian Ruddy
Snowshoe Chocolate *
Cream & White Tabby *
Tawny Tabby

Chateau Cocoa & White No. 2